I wont go into detail on here as I know this particular councillor is not a fan of internet forums or their users. Suffice to say that the story is on the front page of todays Gazette:

http://www.basingstokegazette.co.uk/display.var.2107118.0.probe_into_conduct_of_councillor.php


Further information in the paperwork on the B&DBC website:

http://www.basingstoke.gov.uk/council/councillors/committeemeetings?mode=meeting&meetingid=1133

Oh dear! Thanks for this Julie. Phil is a County Councillor for the South West of the town too, which includes Kempshott. Depending on the outcome, I wonder if this will have any impact for him at County level too?

Just as a post script, the meeting is open to the public. There is a part where the public will be excluded for personal evidence to be discussed, but the majority will be heard in public. If anyone wishes to attend, I suggest you get to the Deanes building by 6.15pm so you dont miss anything. Shame I cant make it But I will watch it live on webcast!

hmmmm - too many instances for the mud not to stick me thinks!

Jeeps

Meeting should be interesting!

There's no excuse for abusive or agressive behaviour but on the other hand it's good to see our elected representatives being prepared to stand up to housing associations. They may like us to regard them as charitable bodies who are providing a service for the less well off but at the end of the day they are businesses and developers and all to often they think they can run roughshod over local people and their opinions.

Don't forget one of the companies that has complained about Mr Heath is the one that forced the flats in Old Down Close through by appealling to a higher body than our elected local authority despite massive local opposition to the development.

All to often these people think they are running the borough and I hope that Mr Heath is prepared to keep fighting. I've met him a couple of times and he seems like a straightforward kind of bloke - I can't say I agree with his politics nor his party but he's obviously prepared to stand up for the electorate whilst jeopardising his position. A lot of other elected people from all parties would have kept a low profile to safeguard their previleged positions. Hopefully a lot of infomation will be unearthed in the hearing - not just the facts of his behaviour but his reasons for his obvious frustrations.

Dazed&confused you must let me know where you get your rose-tinted glasses from because I would like to buy a pair.

To my great shame I have a friend who attended the K&DRA bash (oh the shame ) and witnessed the behaviour of Mr Heath towards a member of this board. Rude and aggressive I think he said, I always have doubts about men that feel the need to stand over woman while they are shouting at them, I think the term I am looking for is bullying. He lost himself a couple of votes that night.

This will be the K&DRA that most members of this site reckon are the best part of useless. He's obviously a passionate man and sounds to me like someone who gets frustrated by ineffective people, bodies and processes. As I said I'm not condoning abusive behaviour and he may overstep the mark on occasions but it seems to me he is on the side of the electorate against such bodies as housing associations and useless ineffective talking shops like the K&DRA.

Several people that contribute to this site complain about some councillors that are reluctant to address minor and specific issuse such as speed humps and limits. The same people complain about the overdevelopment of the estate, the town and the borough. And yet when we get someone who is prepared to put his political career on the line you don't want that either.

When will people like you, Fifi, wake up and realise that you can't have everything you want? In the words of a long gone president "you cannot please all the people all the time". I for one would be happier with politicians (regardless of colour) who are prepared to speak their mind and try to get things improved.

This site has turned into a whinging shop. I will not contribute again.

Admin - please canvel my account.

Oh dear do I hear the sound of toys being thrown out of prams.

You have every right to defend Phil Heath Dazed&confused but you said yourself rude and aggressive behaviour is not acceptable. I bet there are many people who will tell you their own story about Phil Heath. I think he has overstepped the mark on many occasions.

I agree that the housing association are pretty useless and only interested in profit rather than the state of their housing stock, however, I would expect an elected official to behave professionally.

You make me laugh Dazed&confused with your comments, it seems to me that it's ok for you to whine and moan about schools (childless = no interest) but you don't allow other members of these boards to have the same rights as you? Perhaps you want to re-read what your good friend CitizenX wrote to you.

I don't think there is any need to remove yourself from the boards D&C.

The incident that FIFI is refering to did involve me but it wasn't something I wanted to bring up because I have a lot of time and respect from Cllr Mrs Heath, who was very helpful re Heather Way.

Phil is my Borough Councillor and we have met on numerous occasions. My experiences have been OK, albeit I’ve got frustrated with him and Councillors Robinson and Putty himself at times. However, I know of others who have told me their experiences with him haven’t been good. Kezzer is one and these Housing Associations are others.

Phil is indeed a “passionate man” as you put it D&C. I know his temperament; I have seen it first hand at numerous Council Meetings over the years. I have seen him ‘hot headed’ and frustrated too. But who wouldn’t be at some of these Council Meetings aye!

I also agree, there is no excuse for abusive or aggressive behaviour (inside or outside of Council) and I await the outcome the B&DBC’s Standards Committee to comment further. How diplomatic am I being here aye?! LOL.

Dazed&confused wrote:



I don’t think any of us who post on this site have said that.

I’m sure like others, I admire anyone who is prepared to (quote) “speak their mind and try to get things improved” (unquote). Also, any elected official who is prepared to put their political career on the line too. Yes, Phil does seems to be (quote)“prepared to stand up for the electorate whilst jeopardising his position” (unquote). I doubt some would. However, it is the manner in which all that is done that is important.

Dazed&confused wrote:



Ouch! Even I haven’t used that expression about the Association. But a good one at that though imo!

Dazed&confused wrote:



I’m sorry to hear you won’t be contributing again D&C. But I hope, like many others do, you will continue to review this online community website and its’ Messageboard.

I don’t see this site as a “whinging shop” though. IMO it’s a great medium for people to inform others of happenings (being online, it is instant too), as well as decent people (that excludes trolls!) being able to voice their views, opinions, concerns and issues in a polite manner for all to see, including elected officials such as Councillors and K&DRA Committee Members too!

My personal opinion is that any person elected as councillor should behave appropriately regardless of the situation. I too have been on the receiving end of this particular councillors rants. However I also believe that if you are elected to a position of relative 'power' you should conduct yourself in a respectable and responsible manner. If you cannot do that then you should not be holding that position - whether by de-selection or resignation. Considering the time this councillor has been in post, I think it is perfectly reasonable to expect him (as any other councillor) to behave properly and be able to put across his views and authority without the need for the reportedly abusive and agressive behaviour. Talk about throwing toys out of prams....

Julie wrote:



Yes, I agree with you Julie.

My comment after the above would be - there are ways and means and bursting into a meeting, talking down to other professionals, thrusting the palm of your hand into the vacinity of someone elses face (allegedly - read the documents) - to me are rude, bullying and abusive.

Put it this way - if we had got frustrated at work with a colleague would you do any of the above?

If you did would you still have your job?

Case and point.

Jeeps

I like moaning I do!

Jeepers wrote:



Ah, I didn't read them all you see. Oh dear oh dear!

All the documents for B&DBC's Standards Committee Meeting (26 March) can now be found on weblink:

http://www.basingstoke.gov.uk/council/c ... ingid=1133

The documents on that link detailing the decision of the Committee pertaining to the conduct of Councillor Phil Heath can now be viewed (officially) on the B&DBC weblinks below:

http://www.basingstoke.gov.uk/Committee ... 202008.doc

http://www.basingstoke.gov.uk/Committee ... x%201%20(2).doc

The last link I provided currently won't open (?), but the document is: standards committee appendix 1 (2)